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Actually Mr F, I always liked the look of the 11... except for the head. Could've easily been a "hero" fighter IMHO.

Yeah my stuff collects dust... then again some my say so do I.

A "hero" doesn't get a bayonette. A hero would get a knife or a sword.
The head of the 11 is part of what makes it look wonderfully "grunt-ish" me thinks.

All it needs is to not be properly maintained, or maintained by people who do not ahve all the right parts and have to make do with what they have, and me thinks it would get a wonderfully beat up and rugged look. Perfect for a pioneer world at the fringe of known space.

/Mr.F - Likes the beat up, scrappy look

I have to disagree with you on the bayonet. As seen in Mac Plus, a hero can do deadly things with a bayonet. With a bayonet you have greater range, and can fire a gun at the same time. That's why they're used still today (not as often as say WWII or Korea).

I really don't like heroes getting knives. You have to get way too close to your opponent to do any damage. That's one reason I think the 25 lacks some coolness.

Actually on pioneer worlds that's exactly what you'd find, beat up rugged looking fighters. Everything from 1X's to 11's, everything Spacy didn't want, would be there. Infact there was a VF-1 with woodland camo on Ebay that you could sort of rough up a bit (make some scratches and scuffs on the paint) that would IMHO look awesome. Unfourtunately I'm not willing to pay $150 for it.

Actually Mr F I want to thank you. You gave me a great idea and a way I could bring Zach back in a Fan Fic (only reason I didn't before).

To be honest, I simply prefer to look up to pilots who pilots standard issue mass-produced fighter and it's basic weaponary, and still manage to survive and onslaught of hostile entities long enough to see the end of it. For exampel, among them are Rick Hunter/Hikaru Ichijyo with VF1J, Max Sterling/Maximilian Jenius with VF1A, Isamu Dyson with VF11, and so on.

Heroic fighters, or characters given a "special" model, tends to... how would I put it, favour a specific and only easily reused patterned of an attack, an attack which usually tends to be able to wipe out en entire population (plus a kitten for some reason) when frequently used. It's more commonly known as the "One-Punch-One-Kill" ability. I detest that ability I most point out.

Here's another good point. You and your buddies are moving to attack the enemy, as you do. On the way in you see that there are 20 mecha all the same as each other, dull grey and looking rather inanimate and one in the middle with wings, a mecha scale lightsabre, a glowing aura and his own theme music.

Who do you think posses the larger threat?



Seriously though, Macross has handled it well. Macross Saga has VF-1's and pure luck to get you though, Plus was about new fighters so no worries and Frontier has a whole mini-carrier full of the new fighters. The only one to balls up was Mac-7.

Now Gundam on the other hand....

ROFLMAO

Poor Mr Boots.

Good points Cobra and Kosh.

The ultra attack, one punch as Cobra put it, is really annoying... unless it's the maingun of the SDF Macross (that one was cool).

As for the theme music, I've always said that everytime one of our pilots gets into a dogfight "Highway to the Danger Zone" should start playing.

Now let me ask you all, if hero fighters are not preferable (Kosh makes a good point about it being an obvious target) shouldn't hero paint schemes also be bad. I mean If I'm a Zentradi pilot and I se 20 Brown VF-1's and one red, white and black VF-1, wouldn't that also make me think he might be a bigger threat?

Either that or a very colorful decoy...

If one were to go the way of the decoy, why not go all out? Cover the machine in neon lights that would put Vegas to shame. Imagine the distraction such lighting would cause in space (for some reason the mental image of a VF flashing, "Eat at Joe's" is really funny to me right now). I blame the lack of sleep, and abundance of caffeine.

Then again, once the missiles start flying it could easily be lost in the secondary explosions.

I think good taste would require it be destroyed as soon as possible^_^

Good point Genjuro Vegetta. It would be confusing... decoy or ace, which is it? Could be both considering how many times Hikaru/Rick got shot down (2 times by the Zentradi and once by friendly fire as best I can remember).

LOL, Good lord where did you come up with the "Eat at Joe's" tHatarMed. I had forgotten that old joke.

I actually like that idea. Fighters so gaudy that the enemy turns and runs at the first sight of their hideousness, or they become blinded their the brillian ugliness.

Kosh wrote:Here's another good point. You and your buddies are moving to attack the enemy, as you do. On the way in you see that there are 20 mecha all the same as each other, dull grey and looking rather inanimate and one in the middle with wings, a mecha scale lightsabre, a glowing aura and his own theme music.

Who do you think posses the larger threat?

I would rather watch my back for the inanimate grey mechas if one turns out to be a bigger bad-ass then the fancy space-marine wannabe mecha at hand. Hell, I would defiantly leg it if he/she played "Highway to Danger Zone" and charged me. D:

Oh come on Cobra, don't you think our pilots would be feared everywhere if "Highway to the Danger Zone" was blaring as they fought? Who would dare to possiblly fight our guys if they all thought they were Maverick.

Top Gun= Awesome (thumbs up)

Well if they did, they would surely had gained some kind of notorious reputation by then.

Enemy Pilot 1 - Hey, can you hear that?
Enemy Pilot 2 - Hear what?
Enemy Pilot 1 - Music, listen...
Enemy Pilot 2 - Doesn't it sounds just like...
Enemy Pilot 1 - Highway to Danger Zone?
Enemy Pilot 2 - O_O ...
Enemy Pilot 1 - O_O ... Retreat!

I ccould actually see that happening. A flight of enemy fighters scared of by a fighter with speakers blaring "Highway to the Danger Zone" and tHatarMed's neon "Eat at Joe's."

roflmbo

To continue COBRA's thing...

Enemy Pilot 1 - I see them coming!
Enemy Pilot 2 - We can take them!
Enemy Pilot 1 - What is that gleam?
Enemy Pilot 2 - Gleam? What color is the lead fighter?
Enemy Pilot 1 - Gold... O_O
Enemy Pilot 2 - O_O
Enemy Pilot 1&2 - RETREAT!!!

You know that gives me an idea. I think I'm going to send an email to the paople who make the Ace Combat games and suggest they add a pimp my fighter mode. You know so you could put whatever paint scheme (no matter how awful) you wanted, spinners, rims (of all sizes)... whatever you wanted.

...cow skull on the nose?

If that's what you want Bear. Anything you want goes.

Does that include taste-less paintjobs with voluptuous womens in minimal clothings slithering over the fighter's fuselage and wings?

What? It's for psychological warfare purposes.

Voluptous women, Japanese Pop idols, dragons.... any paint job goes.

I'm so in if that games/feature comes out.

Well now all I need is an english email adress to send it to (Konami is Japanese)... either that or learn to read and write in Kanji and by a Japanese keyboard.